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knick evl ntnt
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| gigantor wrote: | | there will be zero mainstream media coverage of this gross violation of civil rights. |
Surprisngly, and thankfully... You're wrong. The promoters have scheduled a press conference with local media for tomorrow. Apparently, a lot of the stations are interested in the other side of the story. But probably only bc the story will sell... I mean, there is videotape of people being beaten.
Oh. Btw... There are reports that 4 different females were sexually harassed by the police. One female was taken into a port-o-pottie while another officer waited outside with an assault rifle. There are handfulls of witnesses and the girls are coming forward.
I can assure you all that about 99% of that report on the sherrif's page is total bullshit.
Ok, boarding plane.
Adios utah
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Before you take this any further I would research to find whether or not the promoter is being honest about having the required mass gathering permit. He should at least have a copy. For future note, I would recommend all promoters make copies of obtained permits if the originals need to be kept on scene, otherwise keep the originals safe and carry some copies. But, I would want to see a copy of the required permit before I gave a deposition.
If he doesn't have a copy of it and cannot obtain a copy of it, then he just may be SOL. Assuming the cops did find illegal drugs, and did rush an overdosed female to the hospital (as in the report), then without a permit the promoter is just fucked. You might can get police brutality if it's on video.
Even still, raise voices and get attention and let ppl all across know what's actually happening.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've copied Nick's account and posted it on MySpace (as many others have I'm sure) I did this because I know he is a crediable source and I assume he won't mind. In the same bulletin I added Tacha's account that Kujo has put out.
I won't be satisfied 'til something is done about this!
I'll be adding it to other boards later.[/b]
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mike b.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Insight wrote: | Before you take this any further I would research to find whether or not the promoter is being honest about having the required mass gathering permit. He should at least have a copy. For future note, I would recommend all promoters make copies of obtained permits if the originals need to be kept on scene, otherwise keep the originals safe and carry some copies. But, I would want to see a copy of the required permit before I gave a deposition.
If he doesn't have a copy of it and cannot obtain a copy of it, then he just may be SOL. Assuming the cops did find illegal drugs, and did rush an overdosed female to the hospital (as in the report), then without a permit the promoter is just fucked. You might can get police brutality if it's on video.
Even still, raise voices and get attention and let ppl all across know what's actually happening. |
The only thing that kinda weirds me out is the promoter said that the police took the permits, and there are no copies now. Why wouldn't you keep copies of your records just in case? Still the extreme force is out of control.
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this shit highly pisses me off. my gawd knick, that is beyond bullshit.
I just saw a thread about this on scenetennesse...and saw the video...is there a way we can protest?
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| mike b. wrote: | | The only thing that kinda weirds me out is the promoter said that the police took the permits, and there are no copies now. Why wouldn't you keep copies of your records just in case? Still the extreme force is out of control. |
i'm confused, but where did the promoter or anyone say this (perhaps i missed something on the Utah forum)...? as always, the county/city should have the filing on-hand at the offices. this is done for any paper permit or license obtained for most states and counties. if the county gets rid of this evidence, then i think there will be bigger issues for those involved from the gov't side of the fight...
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mike b.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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it was said on the utah thread. let me find it, and i'll toss it up
here we go.....
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1. We had all of our permits. They took everything.
2. The cops told me that Ravers sold them drugs.
3. It was wrong what happened and it will be dealt with.
We will figure this out and let everyone know what is going on! I'll get back on here soon and give everyone a full update! |
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| knick evl ntnt wrote: | . I mean, there is videotape of people being beaten.
Oh. Btw... There are reports that 4 different females were sexually harassed by the police. One female was taken into a port-o-pottie while another officer waited outside with an assault rifle. There are handfulls of witnesses and the girls are coming forward.
I can assure you all that about 99% of that report on the sherrif's page is total bullshit. |
That's insane.
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Welcome to UTAH COUNTY GOVERNMENT
The Utah County Commission would like to know how we can better serve you.
We welcome your suggestions in writing.
100 East Center, Suite 2200
Provo, UT 84606
Or you may call us at:
(801) 851-8600
Or you may respond via email at:
ucadm.utahcnty@state.ut.us
I say bombard them with calls asking about their abuse of peaceful taxpayers
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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they claimed they were missing ONE permit
i agree even if a permit was missing that the amount of force was definitely unwarranted, but can anyone confirm that they had ALL their permits or not?
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| otto wrote: | | mike b. wrote: | | The only thing that kinda weirds me out is the promoter said that the police took the permits, and there are no copies now. Why wouldn't you keep copies of your records just in case? Still the extreme force is out of control. |
i'm confused, but where did the promoter or anyone say this (perhaps i missed something on the Utah forum)...? as always, the county/city should have the filing on-hand at the offices. this is done for any paper permit or license obtained for most states and counties. if the county gets rid of this evidence, then i think there will be bigger issues for those involved from the gov't side of the fight... |
That's why I said it's necessary that any witnesses wishing to contest the raid's justification be sure that the promoter did in fact obtain the mass gathering permit. The states lawyers will do anything to discredit the prosecution, including proving 250+ petitioners wrong on their stance re: the promoter having the permit. If the promoter did not have the permit, he must swallow his pride and admit that so preceedings can forward to the more important police brutality and sexual assault cases.
Let's be honest: police crash parties. It's happened to me several times, once with tear gas as mentioned before. But crashing a party is not the key issue. Police brutality, and sexually assaulting the party goers is a humanity issue and should be the most important issue. If the promoter didn't get the permit, but is going to contest that he did have it, this will ultimately do more harm than good. As mentioned before, he should have copies, the state should have records, and his visa should have records. If he didn't get it and makes up some bogus story about the gov changing his visa account then the real issue will be neglected. This is going to be a serious situation for him to face, because more than likely he faces jail time if he indeed did not have a permit, which gives him personal reason to conjure up lawyers protesting that he did have them.
Don't know the man, don't know if he had it or not, but for the sake of all the abused he must pursue in truth regardless of what consequences that means for him if he didn't actually have it.
As far as the raid using excessive force... it is unfortunate, but ever since the riots of "Woodstock" 2000 (i use the term woodstock loosely), overwhelming force has been the strategy for raiding any mass concert gathering. It simply ensures the greatest safety for the officers in duty, and the best chance for crowd control. I'm not saying it's right, but the only limit to what they can bring to the raid is the resources they actually have and as far as I know there's no law against it if they don't actually blast the assault rifles. Tear gas is the textbook method in cases like these.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| moka wrote: | FUCK THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     |
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